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Doug Fattic’s Class: Final Thoughts.

I’ve been home a few weeks now and more time to reflect on Doug’s class and frame building. In the first post in the series I said I was not sure if I’d build more than one bike. I’ve answered that question with a resounding yes. While at times frustrating and certainly difficult I really enjoyed the frame building process. I’ve had a few friends ask about building them bikes, and I’ve decided that there are a few more bikes that I’d like for myself, so I at least have a road map in front of me as far as what to build. Since I’ve been home I’ve started collecting tools and I’m not too far from having what I need to build. Making the jump to full time professional isn’t something I’m considering at this time.

Overall Doug’s class was great, I really enjoyed my time there. It felt a lot like being back in college. Long days, powered by caffeine and moments of fun inside long days of work. Thankfully I took in more information much faster than when I was in college, something about older and wiser I guess. We all went home with unfinished bikes. It took me a long time to figure out that the class was less about the bike I was building then, and more about the bikes I’ll be building later. This bike is just the first of many. Now that I have the bike finished I’m quite happy with it, much happier than when I left class. When I think back on my frustrations during class there were two major sources. One of them could have been avoided all together with a bit more thought before class.

The first big frustration was the bi-laminate thing and how long it took us to figure out that we should just drop it.  Better planning before class would have fixed this. I could have a. made sure the lugs I had would work for the application I had in mind, b. ordered them sooner so we had them in time (or since Ceeway was out of stock order something else). I think that it would have been far better, from a frustration perspective to never have attempted the bi-laminate. That said I learned a lot about how to do it before we ditched the project. I am very happy to have gone through the process. On the other hand if we had just gone with a fillet brazed bike I’d have come home with a completed bike. I brought the head tube home that we started on for the bi-laminate project. So I have that to finish for another bike. I think I’ll wait until I have a jig to do that though. Since all I had to do was file when I got home I’m happy with the way it worked out.

My other frustration was the rear end, specifically chain stay attachment. Two of us had troubles getting things to line up properly post brazing and it was because we didn’t know (or retain) the process about how to maintain alignment during brazing. I am not sure why this happened, but it was something we both learned after the fact how to fix. In a way I’m grateful for this as we are much less likely to forget the correct process now. On the other hand we both spent a lot of time figuring out our problems. One upside of this is that we had quite the liveley dinner conversation one night about how to create a jig to do away with the problems we had. In both cases we had chain stays slide into the the bottom bracket during brazing, causing the rear end to be just slightly out of alignment. In both cases we fixed the issue and ended up with aligned frames, it just took a lot of work.

As far as the instructor, Doug is a fantastic teacher. He spends quite a bit of time figuring out how a student learns things, and does his best to adapt his teaching methods to that particular student. I saw this quite a bit in our class when I would look at how Doug  explained things to me, vs. how Doug would explain the same thing to Clifford. I do wonder how much I frustrated Doug as I tend to learn things through repetition and explanation, rather than demonstration. If I did frustrate him he hid it well. Another thing that I really appreciated is that Doug is a true craftsman. He cares very much about the quality of his work, and that of his students. With Doug I didn’t feel like there was a lot of “thats good enough” in order to hurry us along. We did not cut corners. Everything was done, and done correctly. Sometimes we resorted to using different fixtures to speed the process along, but we never sacrificed quality for time.I really appreciated this.

Other observations and things I’ve realized since I’ve been home. Doug has every tool in the universe. This makes prioritizing purchases to build a shop at home a bit of a challenge. The first purchases are pretty obvious; alignment table, torch setup, files. What comes after that is still a bit of a mystery. I’m working on the table and torch setup now. I’ve got files and most of the general hand tools covered as well as a work bench and vise. After I get the torch and table worked out I think I’ll be picking up things like lug vises (the next bike is going to be a lugged single speed). After that I’ll start to think about one of Doug’s fixtures and maybe a small mill. I’ve had a lot of contact with my classmates and Doug to help with this process. I think all three of us are well on our way to having some type of shop setup.

I’m quite happy with the experience, I’d do it again in a heartbeat.

On Weights and Measures

Weight isn’t something I get really worked up about, but I thought it would be fun to see how much the frame I built weighs, along with some other frames and bikes I have at the house. So I borrowed a scale from my buddy Dan and then dorked out

New Frame: 4lbs 2 oz. New Fork: 1 lbs 8 oz. All made from TrueTemper Verses, VersesHT and OX Platinum. The frame size is about 59 cm with a 58 cm top tube.

If I was to care about these sorts of things I’d say that the frame weight is right where I expected it to be, and the fork is god awful heavy. I can feel this when I lift the fork. You hold it in your hand and can tell it weighs far more than it should. This is two fold I think. A. the steerer is uncut, and B. we did the mutant 1 inch to 1 and 1/8th inch steerer deal so I’ve got 3 inches of 1 inch steerer inside my 1 and 1/8th inch steerer. 1 inch steerers are super duper thick. As long as handling isn’t effected I’ll soon forget about it (I am a touch concerned about what this will do to the handling, I don’t think I have a logical reason to worry, but we will see). On the upside if I ever get mugged on my bike, I can hit em with my fork, or attach a snow plow.

All thats hidden inside my steerer.

Knowing the frame weight I can take a guess at the total bike weight. I suspect I’ll end up in the 16 to 17 lbs range (including saddle and pedals). I say range because I’m still don’t have my head set and rear hub in hand so I can’t weigh them and I have not cut the steerer and head tube. For comparisons sake my Allez weighs 20 lbs 0 oz. (with saddle and pedals). I was shocked to see that the Specialized weighs that much as I’ve always thought of it as zippy and light weight. I will continue to think this. My Rivendell fully equipped weighs 35 lbs, and was a chore to lift onto the scale. Possibly the real kicker is the Trek 720 project I have in my basement. The frame, fork and cranks weigh a wopping 13 lbs. That’s before things like wheels, handlebars, chains etc. It’s going to make a hell of an xtra cycle when I get done with it.

With the new weight in had I played out a little thought experiment about my new bike compared to a new modern road bike. Modern typically means carbon, which has a serious weight advantage. Most of the folks I ride with ride on carbon bikes and love em. I’m not a believer that weight contributes to ride at all so that’s not taken into consideration below. Its merely the amount of effort required to get my bike vs. another one into a truck I guess. Or maybe RAGBRAI will have a really big hill this year that I’ll curse the extra weight.

(Mark or Heather correct me if I got this next part wrong, my memory is a little hazy from what you said on Saturday)

For arguments sake I want to compare a race bike to a race bike. A gal named Heather* rides with the same group I do and she just got a new Trek Madone that’s kitted with similar stuff (she’s using D/A, I’m using Red) to what I will be using. I think her rig tipped the scales at a hair over fifteen pounds. So my bike weighs a pound or two more than hers three at most. Lets call it two because I suspect that’s closer to the truth. I’d guess I’m running slightly lighter wheels (if memory serves she had something with a deeper dish than I do, but I think the Bontrager hubs are lighter than the Kings, and I’ve got way more spokes) and I think Red weighs a little less than D/A. But close enough. I think its neat that I could build a frame that allows me to have a bike anywhere near the weight of Heathers bike. When you pick up Heather’s bike there is a moment of panic that you over did and and you have to think about not tossing it across the room. I expected the frame I built to weigh at least 5 pounds more. Heck I’m shocked that I came in under the weight of my Specialized.

Perhaps to add a little perspective. I’ve been taking a cycling class over the course of the winter. One of those make you faster on the road affairs. I’ve lost the difference in weight between my bike and Heathers about 10 times over since the fall. Or another way of looking at it I’ve shed the weight of my old bike from my body. I suppose that more than makes up for the differences between my bike and Heathers. I’ve still got more to loose before I need to really start thinking about taking the weight out off the bike though.

Note I’ve not said much in this post about the advantages of one material over another. Typically I choose not to involve myself in this type of discussion because I think the talk tends towards drivel, conjecture (I bet I can count the number of people I know on one hand who have ridden carbon and steel and really thought critically about it in my circle of bike friends) and religious fervor. I don’t buy the argument that steel makes the greatest bikes in the world. I do think that steel is the most friendly material to work with, which might explains why there are so many one man steel operations. I think when folks start down the steel is real and the best thing ever line it’s total BS. If you’ve got a frame builder using this as their sales pitch you should go find a new one. Fit is job 1, material is secondary (at best). As for carbon there seems to be a lot of FUD there too. I don’t think that carbon bikes shatter all over the place or are in any way unsafe (despite the noise some of the folks I respect in the bike industry make). The only reason I’m not rocking my very own SL3 is that my wife would throw my ass to the curb if I showed up at home with another bike. Yeah crap happens and carbon reacts differently than steel in a crash or impact scinereo, but if something hits you hard enough to shatter your carbon fork / frame (where as  steel would have bent / dented)  you’re going down and the bike is the least of your worries at that point. Chances are that neither one is rideable if you get up. That said I don’t think a carbon touring bike makes any sense, and a steel racing bike is a flight of fancy and not something I’d expect to ever see in the pro peloton nor many of my friends on. I ride em because I like the way they feel. I’d go out on a limb and say that Heathers bike will ride nicer (where nicer means absorb more vibration) than mine because of the material. I have this grand unifying theory that says a carbon bike will have less vibration than a steel bike, but a steel bike will soften a large bump more. That seems to jive with the elasticity of both materials and is certainly how I’ve feel after riding both materials. I’d expect both bikes to be equally stiff, and the smiles on our faces will probably be gigantic the first time we get to ride our new bikes. So you know, go ride your bike, don’t worry too much about what its made out of. And if you’re shopping for a new one, get what makes you happy (The SL3 is a hot bike, if you can…. or an Ira Ryan if you want a custom, he makes pretty things and might just be the best of both worlds).

*Mark or Heather speak up if I got anything wrong or it bugs you that I’m using your bike as my example. There in the same size ball park and both new.

Doug Fattic’s Class: Classmates blogs

Clifford kept a blog while we were at class that can be found here. Daniel also kept one but I’m not privy to the location.

Doug Fattic’s Class: Day 12

And we’re done (and I realized I never published this post).

I said earlier I wasn’t going to blog today, but we had a good day even if it did run long. Today was all about braze ons, bridges and reaming / tapping things. I didn’t get much of the latter done. I did get my fork crown race cut and thats all I was really worried about in the reaming / tapping / cutting department.

Test fitting the brake bridge

Test fitting the brake bridge

The bike is almost done from a construction stand point and will be finished by me at home. The only other thing I’m missing is how much head tube to cut off. I can set the bike up on a table at home to figure that out as there just wasn’t time to get it done in the shop today and I was out of gas at the end of the day. I’ll need to figure out where to get a vise and some sort of holding device until I can get a proper set of wood blocks. One of my classmates is looking into making them so I’m hoping to piggy back onto that.

Setting up a brake cable stop

Chain stay stop

Chain stay stop

All day I did braze ons. My bikes got the usual assortment of cable stops, as well as a few fun things. I added a chain hanger because I find them among the more useful things in the universe. One tiny dot 110mm up from the axle works wonders for mucking about on the side of the road. I also have a derailure braze on. While not unheard of you don’t see them much anymore. I’m using SRAM Red components for this bike and the derailure I have happens to be braze on. The part looked cool so I went with it. Aligning the hanger is officially more trouble than its worth and I don’t think I’ll do it again though.

All the bits and pieces attached

All the bits and pieces attached

The other big challenge of the day was to get the STI stops lined up properly. This was stupidly harder than it needed to be. I had put a bit of rotation into mine to make them easier to adjust on the fly (the adjuster flares out from the down tube slightly) and matching the rotation and the positioning turned out to be a pain in the butt. After I had it all lined up and started the braze I bumped it with my silver and it locked itself down in the wrong place. Thankfully Doug and Herbie were around to help me out and everything got worked out and it all looks pretty good. A classmate had similar positioning issues. The next time I make an bike with STI stops I’m totally making a jig, it was foolish of us to try to do this by hand, way too much alignment and guess work when I think an hour with angle iron and a drill could have saved us two or three. Now I know, and making the jig will be a fun little side project.

STI stop

The beginning of what turned out to be the most difficult part of the day.

All and all it was a good time. We worked way past sunset in the shop and I feel pretty bad about that. I’m super thankful Doug let us all finish up. Tonight was the last night and we had a good dinner, started to say our good byes and began to think about returning home.

Done

Done!

Doug Fattic’s Class: Day 11

Look what I made

Today was a good day. I’ve got a complete (ish) bike! The main task of the day was getting the seat stays attached. First I had to cut the slot for my seat post binder and take care of all that, and before that I had to ream the seat tube to take a seat post, and before that….. you get the idea. Lots of little steps to get to where I was going. So I started the morning reaming the seat tube and freaking myself out a little bit with the process. I stuck the reamer in a vise pointing up and then spun the bike around on it by its seat tube. Unfortunately I don’t think I have a picture of this, Doug took one though so hopefully I can get it from him.

The next task was to cut a slot for the seat tube binder. Pretty straight forward. Stick two blades in the hack saw, draw a straight line, go to town. Don’t stray off the straight line. When it was all said and done I had a slot in the back of my seat tube. It pointed out how much I really need to do some finish filing on the back of my seat tube as it looks a little goofy right now. That’s work for when I get home though.

Cutting the binder slot

Finally after a few other odds and ends I got to working on getting the seat stays into my bike. The first step is to miter the stay to meet up with wherever its supposed to go. In my case I’m doing a fast back to the binder so I had to cut the shape of the binder in the top of the stay. Doug as usual was a huge help here and showed me a mercifully fast way to do it. It took the other guys the better part of a day to get their stays ready to go for alignment, I think it took me on the order of an hour. Just a couple quick hits with a file (the attachment I chose was much less intricate than what Daniel and Clifford were doing) and cut to length. The real trick for me was to get the seat stays to put equal tension on the chain stays. It took a few adjustments with a file, but nothing major. After the miter was done I was off to alignment. The process involves taking a true wheel and checking for center, making adjustments, taking the measurement again and working it back and forth until you get it right. This feels like it took forever but I think I only really spent a few hours doing it. I was pretty wiped by the time I got here though, its been a long two weeks.

Doug did the braze on the top side because it was a bit much for me (lots of small areas). There really aren’t words to describe his skill. It was unreal to watch him manipulate so much heat and metal in such a small space. After I got the seat stays setup so I could braze the bottom I took off back to the house for a bit. A classmate had ordered pizza and it was a nice pick me up before going back out to the shop. After dinner I brazed up the seat stays. I’m using stainless plug in dropouts from henry james. I love the little silver ring and watching it poor out the bottom in one shot when it flows correctly. Very satisfying. After the stays were brazed I checked alignment and everything was as I’d left it. As close to perfect as my first bike will be I think, and well within the (mostly made up) tolerances that we were told about on the first day of class.

Drop out brazed

The last big task for me was to get my fork converted from a 1 inch steerer to a 1 1/8 inch. I hacked off most of the one inch, beveled the top and brazed on a bigger 1 1/8 inch tube. This was a little nerve-racking as there was a lot of metal to heat up and we were not quite sure if the silver ring I stuck in the top ever really melted the way it was supposed to. I added silver and flowed it up the joint to the best of my ability. After we called it good and the fork cooled down we could peak down the steerer tube and see that the silver had indeed flowed as it was supposed to. So all is good in fork land for me, although with this particular combination the fork weighs a ton. I don’t care much about weight, and as long as handling is not effected I’ll just leave well enough alone. I do have the capacity to throw a carbon fork in this bike and A/B them so if it works out to be terrible I have that as an option I guess. I think the fork looks dope though, and most carbon forks are a bit ugly for my tastes. I’m sure it will all work out.

As far as on a personal level I’m glad we’re nearing the end and I get to head home on Saturday. I’ve been worn down the last few days and I’m ready to get back home to my wife and son. I got to see a really cool sunset on my way back to the shop that was a bit of a pick me up this evening, which really helped me stay positive and get through the rest of the stuff I had to do. I’ve had a ton of fun and made some good friends. I’ve been blessed with my classmates. I’ve been told every class gets along but I’ve really enjoyed the company of Clifford and Daniel. I’ll be posting a postmortem on the class with a full review and such in the coming weeks, as well as updates on where I am with finish filing and painting, but I imagine since tomorrow is just braze ons and reaming I won’t do another update from Michigan.

Sunset on my way back to the shop.

Doug Fattic’s class: quick update

If you take the class make sure to watch the sun set over the shop (preferably in winter). Totally rejuvinating.

Doug Fattic’s Class: Day 10

Day 10, already, really? It feels like the pace has been picking up the last few days. I went from a pile of unconnected tubes on Sunday to a almost complete looking bike today. I had two missions today, a binder bolt for my bike, and getting my chain stays installed. Both were a success.

The day started out pretty slow going. I think all of us are feeling the lack of sleep and missing our families. The mood in the shop is jovial though and we are enjoying the time we have remaining. If you end up taking Doug’s class and staying in his parents place, the coffee pot is a gift from the class of Feb 2010, use it wisely.

This morning I got to work on getting my binder attached to the top of my seat tube. We propped it up against the bike using some square blocks on the alignment table. Then I tacked it in place using brass. After I was satisfied that it was straight and looked good I headed off to do a fillet braze for the bolt. This braze was a bit more fun that the main tube brazes because I got to do more shaping. The underside of the binder has to be kept smaller so my stays can attach underneath it. The top needs to be filled out more to avoid a really harsh edge. I’m trying to avoid any harsh edges / sharp corners up where at the top of the triangle. The braze went swimmingly, Herbie was around for the assist if I needed it and to provide instructions / advise on the look of the joint.

Binder attached, just needs some finish filing.

The next major task of the day was to attach the seat stays. I was offered the choice of using the Anvil fixture or using Doug’s method that he learned in England when he was studying there. Doug’s method is longer but involves little in the way of extra tools (in fact I’m building the tool I need to repeat this process at home while I’m here). The process involves a lot of measuring, and being paranoid I was triple or quadruple checking everything. After all was said and done I came out with rear dropouts that put the wheel about .5mm off of center. I can fix this with a bit of filing on one of the drop outs (or I could leave it alone as this is a perfectly reasonable amount I suppose). I suspect I’ll file it as it will bug me if I don’t fix it. I’m really bothered that I didn’t get the rear end exactly correct.

Since we had some trouble with this method the class members and I have been brainstorming about possible causes. The current theory is that when we tack in the second stay something shrinks or expands and contracts and “sucks” the stay in a bit further. We found out after the fact that Doug does a bit of adjustment during the tacking phase that we didn’t do…. More info for the next bike I guess.

Attaching seat stays

Not brazed up yet.

I ended the evening with a bit of filing on my head tube to top tube fillet and making sure that I was all set to go for seat stays tomorrow. First I’ll need to cut the seat post slot, and then I’ll get to mitering for the attachment to the binder. I suspect I’ll also be adding some braze ons as well. I need a derailleur hanger and a few water bottle bosses. Hopefully these will be pretty quick and drama free. The other big task for tomorrow is getting my fork converted from 1 inch to 1 1/8 inch steerer. I detect lots of filing in my future for this.

Doug Fattic’s Class: Day 9

Today was a pretty good day. I got my main triangle all brazed up, filed my fork so a wheel sits in there correctly, filed and cleaned up one of my fillets. Fillet brazing is fun, and quite a bit easier than silver brazing. I did the first braze on the frame with Doug watching and then did the next two solo. The second of the three brazes (head tube to top tube) came out the best I think.

Fillet Brazing Head Tube and Top Tube

Fillet Brazing Head Tube and Top Tube

Down tube to top tube

Down tube to top tube.

The other big task of the day was to get the chain stays cut, aligned and brazed up. Since I was behind on getting my main triangle brazed up I didn’t get started on this (and really only one person can do it at a time because of the tools needed). Once Daniel gets finished up I’ll start on that. The first task is to fillet braze a binder bolt to my frame so I can use the jig to align the chain stays. I cleaned up the seat tube fillet tonight so I could get that done first thing.

Cleaned up seat tube braze

Cleaned up seat tube braze

We also ordered tubing so we could make ourselves the chain stay jig. Come to Doug Fattic’s class, get a bike and tools to make another one. Go team. Today was a really good day in the shop, everyone was off on their own just getting things done for the most part. This has been my favorite day of the class so far. It’s nice to see the bikes starting to take shape.

Pictures are uploading to flickr now.

Doug Fattic’s Class: Day 8

Frustrating and slow to backwards progress was the name of the game for two of us today. I brazed up the first part of my bi-laminate lugs. This went pretty well and all seemed good. I started putting the frame together in the fixture and it looked well. I noticed Doug making faces at it so I asked again what he thought and if I should ditch it and just fillet braze the frame. For the first time since we started this endeavor he changed his answer a bit and since I was already nervous I pushed the issue. My line of reasoning was basically could I do it by myself or would Doug have to take the torch and bail me out. After confirming we decided that there would probably be quite a bit of bailing out and I get the feeling that Doug wasn’t exactly sure how to handle the bi-laminate with tubes smaller than the lug opening. I suspect this is one of those things he would figure out on the fly, but would be made more difficult trying to explain to me while I was brazing and he was doing the figuring out.

The beginning of the end for the head tube.

So we decided to switch, the existing head tube went in a box, and I pulled out the head tube I brought with me and cut it to length. We had to switch the seat post I had as well to an externally butted tube. The tube that was already brazed to my bottom bracket needed a lug at the top tube / seat tube junction to function correctly. I also had the option of creating a sleeve but the time and work this would take felt overwhelming and I decided to go with the externally butted sleeve.

So we had to remove the existing seat tube from the bottom bracket. This was done by putting a bunch of scrap parts (bottom bracket shells) on a wire loop and inserting the loop through the bottom bracket to add weight. We then heated the whole joint and waited for the shell to fall off. One of my classmates and I didn’t have much luck getting this to work but Doug came back to the shop and made the magic happen. It was good to learn how to undo a joint. So I guess there was a positive side to the exercise.

I brazed the new tube in by myself and that went pretty well. I was on a mission to at least be back where I started in the morning. I feel a lot better about silver brazing. I also did a practice fillet by myself. I learned some things about speed control and when to fill. This one looked no so great but had some good sections towards the end. I think I’ll do a bit better on the next practice one which I hope to do in the morning.

The other thing I did today was align my fork blades. This took out some of the extreme problems that I mentioned yesterday. It’s still a bit crooked but can be fixed with a smaller amount of filing than I was anticipating, so all is not lost.

Doug Fattic’s Class: Day 6 & 7

Day six (Saturday) was Sabbath for Doug, so the shop was closed until sundown. I took this as an opportunity to go to a movie with one of my classmates. After the shop opened up I went in for some late night filing. This included easy things like the clean up of the edges of my fork crown, working on some drop outs and poking at the chain stay sockets on my bottom bracket. Since I’m doing a bi-laminate bike it also involved knocking off half of my lugs. Bi-liminate for this bike means that I’m fillet brazing to a lug. It should look pretty slick when I’m done.

Down tube lug before filing.

This filing was a fairly easy process, it just took lots of time. I spent most of Saturday night working on this and a good portion of Sunday. I think Doug (and possibly my classmates) started to worry about my emotional stability towards the end of it. The pictures kind of tell the tale here, but I’m about 99% done with the task and all of my tubes fit properly. I just need to do a little more widening on the seat tube lug.

In the middle of filing

Lugs after filing

The next major task to do was started on the morning of Day 7. Brazing up my fork. This involved assembling my fork in the same Anvil jig that I used for the drop outs. After assembling, leveling and test fitting I took it apart to flux up and get ready to braze. I did this right around lunch time and there was quite a bit of chaos in the shop at the time. Unfortunately something got screwed up. The jig wasn’t tightened as it should have been and we didn’t drill the weep holes in the fork for the expanding gasses to escape. I started brazing up the fork crown with Herbie, he noticed that we didn’t have the holes and we stopped brazing, drilled the holes and started up again. The brazing went pretty well, I’m feeling more comfortable with silver brazing and I’d almost venture to say that I’ve earned my beginner badge. I have enough confidence now to say that I don’t think my brazes will fall apart and I don’t think I’ll set the tube on fire. I’ve still got a long way to go to be good at it, but I’m on the road. At this point I can at least see when I’m doing something wrong, if not fix it.

Fork in the jig

After the fork was brazed and cooled I stuck one of my wheels in there to check out how things looked. Unfortunately the wheel sits in the fork cockeyed (to the non drive side for those keeping track). This is of course fixable but I spent a good chunk of the day super pissed at myself that it happened, and I’ve been trying to figure out what went wrong so hopefully I don’t repeat the same mistake again. Unfortunately it seems like any one of the things I mentioned above could have caused / contributed to the problem, or it could have been something else entirely. Thankfully it is fixable as the fork looks pretty dope, and I’ll be happy to ride it.

Fork after brazing

The other big task of the day was to do my first brass brazing. I must say that I like brazing with brass a ton better than silver. It feels a lot easier. I think this is because the metal is hotter, the signs for heat control are a little more obvious and happen a little slower. The torch is much closer which causes the area you’re working in to be much smaller and more focused than with silver. Brass brazing didn’t involve a ton of “flowing” like we do with the silver. This takes some of the magic out of it (it’s a lot of fun to watch the silver move via capillary action), but on the other hand its nice to plop the brass down and have it stay where it was put. You can flow brass, and we did this later in a practice drop out as well. The whole process went much smoother and I really enjoyed it. This is good because my main triangle will be brass brazed, so I might as well like doing it.

Tomorrow begins the brazing of the main triangle. I’m looking forward to getting the bike out of the jig and starting to have it take shape.